I recently asked the mystic the following question:  “How does the non-physical energy body interact with the physical body to produce health and vitality, and what is it that controls the energy body?”

He answered first focusing on the word “interact.”    He said, “interaction implies these two are separate, and they have to interact with each other.  That’s not really so.  One has grown out of the other. You cannot separate the root and the rest of the tree.  How does the root interact with the branches, the leaves, flowers, and fruits?   They happen together. If you cut down the tree without uprooting it, you know that the tree can sprout back. Similarly, this is the relationship between the energy body and the physical body.  The energy body is the root and the physical body is a just a manifestation.”

The mystic went on to explain that there is a phenomenal amount of intelligence and activity in the every cell in our bodies, even a single molecule of DNA.  So if this physical body manifests in such a majestic way, just imagine the level of intelligence and sophistication of the energy body.   Not all of the energy body manifests in the physical.  The energy body is not just about growing a physical body.  It is about the flower and fruit.   The human being has to flower and find his fruition.  The energy body is of a much higher capability with much more immense possibilities.

What manages the energy body?  The mystic said that is like asking what is it that manages the universe?  Because the context is the same.  It is only the size of the component that is different.

“It is the same emptiness, the same nothingness which has chosen to remain formless, boundless,  because that is the most immense possibility of manifestation – not to limit itself by manifesting in any form or size,” the mystic explained.  “The un-manifested manages the energy system.  The un-manifested is indiscriminate.  The energy body is not indiscriminate.  It has discretion of its own.  It has memory of its own.  It has limitations of its own.”

To make sure I understood, I had to look up the word “discriminate” to confirm its various meanings.  From reading the various definitions, I decided that the mystic was using “discriminate” to mean separating yourself from something else.  In other words, separating yourself off from all-that-is into an individual self.

The mystic said that with the ability to discriminate, comes limitations.  Those limitations manifest in many different ways.  If you are “above” your discriminatory capabilities, then your ability to discriminate will not become a serious limitation.  But, if you are entangled in your discriminatory capabilities, your very ability to discriminate becomes a terrible limitation upon one’s own life.

“So, the fundamental difference between that which is manifest and that which is not is the discretionary powers,” the mystic continued. “ So how limited it becomes, and whether it will carry the seeds of the unlimited,  comes down to whether your discriminatory powers have overtaken you, entangled you, and made you become a slave of your ability to discriminate.   You enslave yourself to something or the other, things that you like, things that you dislike, or an outcome of your ability.”

“Once you manifest and take a form, that means discrimination,” the mystic explained. “ Separating one from the other.  Having the capability to discriminate gives us many capabilities, but it also limits the possibilities of who you really are.  This is the difference between manifest and un-manifest.”

“So the longing of the human being for ultimate liberation is just this, to move from a discriminatory to a non-discriminatory existence.  When we use the word Samadhi,  it means that you have consciously managed to keep the discriminatory capability of your intellect at rest.  You have not forsaken it.  You have not lost it, but you are capable of resting it consciously when you chose to do so.  Once you have this capability, you are manifest and un-manifest at the same time.  You are here, but you are not here.  You are here, but you do not belong to here.  You are of it, but you are not it.  That will be the nature of your existence.”

“To be a yogi means this.  You are manifested but you have learned to transcend it.  It gives you a sense of boundless that is unimaginable for a mind that is lost in its discriminatory process.”

After listening to the mystic’s answer,  I went back and listened to the recording I made that I used to produce this transcript.  The key takeaway for me was that the “unbounded” was the source of the energy body; however, each individual energy body had separated itself from the whole.   This gives us the gift of individuality, while at the same time our energy source is somewhere outside of space-time.

I also thought it was interesting that he talked about how a yogi could be manifested in the physical and yet could learn to transcend it.    From all of my own experiences with various meditative processes that have brought me close to the experience of Samadhi,  I believe this gives the unbounded access to a physical human body with the ability to use the body and the mind for its own higher purposes.  That’s why the mystic mentioned the problem of becoming entangled within our discriminatory powers.  Our likes, dislikes, opinions, and feelings about things – or what most of us normally call “our lives”  is actually a distraction from our ultimate purpose.  We did not come here to make careers,  gather material things, grow old, and then die.   We’ve come here to allow the unbounded to flower,  to wake up those who sleep around us, to focus our efforts on problems of the physical world that deteriorate due to unawareness – those problems that might make someone deny the possibility of a higher power and settle on the concept that our existence is an accident – when all along we are all being energized by the same unbounded oneness with the same purpose for existence in the physical.

When you look out your eyes and breath in those breaths,  when you feel the energy moving through your body,  allowing you to move and interact with the physical world,   and when you realize that a multiple of tiny energy particles have assembled themselves into a complex organism that has taken on your name, how can you not know that your very existence is a miracle.  Grab ahold of it, use this incredible energy, and create something wonderful.  That’s why you are here.